Benchmarked output quality versus actual output quality are very different things. Some usecases are at the very fringe of model intelligence and depth of intelligence and logic suffers.

Ofcourse the AI corps are incentivized to downplay the effects of watermarking where they can, as they stand to gain so much from rolling it out (prevent model collapse).

Also interested in how this watermarking push makes sense when considering RSI.

I still don't see the relevance. Modern purity politics is silly. Is there a conflict of interest for Mullvad? If not, I don't see the issue.

Many people also don't see the relevance of reducing reliance in services from Russian companies or using Chinese software for critical matters either. Newsflash, not everyone has the same opinion.

That's a slightly different thing. Individuals versus country. This is a company not an individual.

Purity politics, doesn't work sorry, just highlights hypocrisy.

I can't see how this has any bearing on the functioning of Mullvad, if they were campaigning on circumventing privacy rights it'd be a different story.

Sometimes people don't want to financially support people or companies that engage in certain behaviors they consider unethical. Whether or not the product functions is irrelevant in such a situation.

It's more the soapboxing that's the issue. I long for the days when not everything in life is given a political twist. This is a relatively recent phenomenon.

People not wanting to give money to someone they don't like is now purity politics and hypocrisy?

They have the leading model, assuring their position and they can then reduce capex spend increasing profits. That's the goal of a business after all.

According my model,

My cost is (I use nous as provider)

DeepSeek v4-flash-0731 • Your cost: $0.56

DeepSeek v4.1-flash • Your cost: $1.22

GPT-6 Luna • Your cost: $4.22

My usage is heavy on the cache. Apparently v4.1 flash uses 1.75 times as many tokens so still cheaper.

This is really where Gemini still excels. Honestly from my experience the others aren't as good.

Yes, we used Gemini before and it worked fine in terms of output quality.

But between 10 and 20 seconds to analyze a document with only a bunch of pages just isn't good UX.

Which Gemini? 3.8 Flash is fast and very nearly as good as Pro.

So which one do you use now?

And what are you using now?

Well if that's all that's required then yes. It's merely the substrate. But we know that's unlikely.

It's the emergent properties that matter. In abstract. Separate the physical and abstract of what is going on here

An alien gas cloud may be out there and sentient/conscious for all we know.

It's an ethics question, it's abstract and ethereal in nature. The same could be said and done (or ignored) for humans. We do do it however because it has real world impact and we're better than that (enlightened).

This is the business case already. And has been the case with tech companies for a long time. Your phones built in photo manager replaced a lot of what Photoshop does.

Humans do this all the time. You watch a YouTube video and subconsciously choose the same colour palette. They hear a rumour that it's a solved problem, i.e. they were pointed in the right direction that is all.

I mean some companies glean insight into new products merely by asking other people what they do for a living.

People need to get over this ownership thing, it's being taken too far. Humans benefit from the efforts of others simple as that.