How does punishing someone make crashes better? I would rather have fewer crashes because of a system that can't be punished than more crashes with punishment.

Being able to punish someone doesn't change the fact that a crash happened and it doesn't change the fact that someone died. There is a difference between punishment and justice, there is rarely ever perfect justice in life.

The best we can do is mitigate harms as much as possible, and it seems self-driving might be the best mitigation of traffic accidents compared to human drivers.

Suppose human drivers were killing 1 person every 100 miles driven, and software was killing 1 person every 10 billion miles driven. We should just accept that the human population will be decimated each day for accountability reasons?

I do think that currently we're at the stage where Waymo is trying to convince most of the world of the _quality_ of its offering, so for the moment, things are well aligned.

But in 5 years if there are multiple self-driving offerings competing on things like price, door-to-door time, OPEX (e.g. does a camera-only system with no moving parts need less skilled maintenance?), then someone may try to be the cheap but good enough self-driving service that cuts corners -- and we should want some execs to actually go to prison rather than just some cost-of-doing-business fines.

Where do you live that humans are punished for "accidents"? You can run someone over in America and it's basically an "oopsie, do better next time!"

* 12 deaths per 100,000 per year, but 4 people go to jail for it

* 2 deaths per 100,000 per year, but no one goes to jail

Because apparently going to jail is important for some reason?

Honestly, choosing jail is somewhat dystopian IMO

Freeze peach was never a good concept.

The libertarian Internet was a mistake and the world will be a better place when it's gone.

I don't think I'm on the internet enough to understand what you're trying to say here.

You haven't noticed real life?

"Italian neckbeard collective declared terrorist organization by Donald Trump" - what a world we live in.

People say "narcolepsy this" and "ADHD that" but we know y'all need off these drugs.

My favorite conspiracy of the moment is that Trump won in 2020 and lost in 2024, but they switched them because he needed more time. People truly are regrettable.

The rise of historical nihilism is why we need new algorithms that can tell true from false. Human moderators simply can't manage the scale and volume of modern communication.

"Truth" doesn't exist outside of social construction, which is performed through narrative warfare, so in fact you want what you already have.

It's probably worth checking the site history before posting. The guy who wrote this looks like some kind of "race science" crackpot.

Interesting fellow. He has publicly claimed that he has ESP:

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/wikipedia-wars...

https://openpsych.net/forums/18/thread/25/?page=1#124

To be fair, he's been doing this shit since 2014, years before LLMs, so he's a real one, a full time crackpot.

Gee, 100%. Articles basically saying genetics explain everything.

> these lunatics

The author or his opponents?

This is exactly what I was talking about last comment. Y'all can't keep doing this. Learn to control yourselves or be controlled. It's your choice - and your only choice.