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In Belgium it was until 1977 that you could buy the license.

> A natural evolution of engineers losing touch with the customers and users.

I disagree. I think this happens as soon as the MBAs come on board, where everything becomes a metric, and you work towards OKRs.


You probably don't pay for a copy or move there as well.

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You probably don't pay for a copy or move there either.

(I'm Flemish and made that mistake before).


Yes.

I hike 5 miles a day, I ate super-healthy (no ultra-processed foods, cook at home every day etc), only drink water, coffee & tea. Actually rarely eat stuff which has added sugar on the package, and avoid foods that have > 5 ingredients (more means it's too processed for me). I bake my own bread (sourdough, salt, flour, water, maybe home-grown japalenos).

And yet, I kept on gaining weight...

My problem is don't get the signal that I'm full fast enough. I have tried _everything_. Drink 2 glasses of water, fibers, eat slower, smaller plates, dietician, track calories.

They work in isolation, but I always end up hungry. Compare it to alcohol. The desire to drink. The solution there is easy. No more alcohol, and that works for most people.

With food? Can't completely abstain...

Went on GLP-1, worked great. Because of hip surgery had to stop for a while, and the weight just came back, because naturally, you revert to your old eating habits, as you chase the signal of satiation.

Now back on them and I'll be on it until the day I die. I pay $450 a month for now because insurance doesn't think I am fat enough now (I'm not). They expect me to go back to my overweight weight..., and even then, acceptance is not guaranteed.

In terms of risks: If I don't take it I'll wear out my knees sooner (hips were related to genetics, not weight). If I don't take it I need 1h more / sleep every night, I have sleep apnea, higher blood pressure, higher cholesterol (doesn't mater how healthy EVOO is, if you eat a huge salad you'll eat a lot of oil).

It's not a risk of GLP-1 against nothing. It's GLP-1 risks vs heart-disease/etc.

At least with GLP-1 I get to live now.


Thank you, I really appreciate your response.

You wouldn't be taking applied statistics if you didn't pass basic arithmetic.

Exactly why a blanket calculator ban for entire education system would be bad. It should be course specific decided by someone with pedagogical understanding of course contents ?

For too long we have used length of document as a measure of quality.

I have ADHD. Every once in a while I surface and realize I have been living on autopilot and we're now 7 months further.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/block-ads-firefox-ios#w...

> Does ad blocking affect search engine ads? > No. Ads shown on search engine results pages are not blocked.

A lot of the search results on top of Google are there to scam you, providing phone numbers for pass through services that charge $ for it, like flight cancellation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/1p6h81i/beware_fake_...

So this omission should absolutely be addressed, but they probably cannot because of the Google Search contract...


A neighbor came to ask for help today. He got locked out of his Facebook account and was getting impatient with their AI, so he Googled "facebook support number" clicked on the first link (almost certainly an ad) and called the number. The person on the other end apparently told him they needed access to his bank accounts to verify his identity and you know the rest of the story.

How is Alphabet not responsible this? They push ads for scams at the top and earn money from it. That should be 100% on them to reimburse, then go after the scammers.

It’s basically the official business model of the US now, have you spent the last two years on a yacht without contact to the world?

They can only be held responsible if a scam victim sues them.

"They can only be held responsible if a scam victim sues them."

so basically less than 1 percent chance


More like zero. No one wakes up and decides to fight one of the richest companies in the world.

But what about the receiving account of the money? Somewhere in the chain they will need to access the money?

Also they say they will continue to show Firefox’s sponsored links and ads. So, they’ll continue to show first party ads and google’s ads? And likely they won’t be able to keep up with meta’s anti ad blocking. That’s most ads on the internet. No thanks, I’ll stick to ublock origin lite on safari.

There's no reason to block Firefox's sponsored links because you can just turn those off if you don't want to see them.

There's no reason to hope there is a way to tell a particular source of ads to turn itself off when you can just use a non-gimped ad block on a non-gimped platform and block all ads without caring if any of them are cooperative or adversarial.

You don't see the hypocrisy in blocking other people's ads while showing your own as well those of partners that fund you?

If only we could pay for Firefox so they could get rid of that Google funding…

Yeah, if everyone gave $10, that would get them at least $50.

There's dozens of us ! So 120$ should be pretty realistic.

LOL

(and I love ff)


Me too, but we are few. Google paid $585M in 2024. I don't think Mozilla can get 58 million users to pay $10 each. That might even exceed the FF user base. Even if they could, they would use it as extra money, not to get rid of Google.

has any browser ever made that work? Opera has to be the most popular by a mile and even they couldn't keep that business model going

Not in my knowledge. It would be hard to have the same amount of funding as they have now from Google.

especially when you pay your executives 7 figure salaries

That’s what a good executive costs these days. You could try to hire a CEO for $100,000/yr with the expected quality of applicants.

Good executives that have achieved an ever shrinking market share while continuing to piss of enthusiast users? At this point they could pay someone with zero experience minimum wage and would probably do no worse. Have you considered that a "good executive" (i.e. someone good at maximizing shareholder values and his own compensation) is the last person Firefox needs?

> That’s what a good executive costs these days.

maybe they should go get some then


People just expect browsers to be free. And there's no way that can be more than Google money.

That's because browsers should be free. They are infrastructure, just like bridges. And nobody wants a bridge troll sitting on the single bridge crossing the internet river, demanding money from everyone.

You pay for bridges with tax. Tax funded browser sounds good in theory, but I don't trust the people managing my tax money to run a tech project like Firefox. Most likely it gets handed to the lowest private sector bidder, with the stipulation that any privacy preserving — sorry, I meant criminal hiding — features be removed.

Bridges are not free

No but they are available at very reasonable prices in prime locations.

If anyone's interested I have a very pretty one listed in Brooklyn. See my Google search ad for details. :P


They are also not funded with blood money.

I mean, bridge tolls are absolutely a thing.

My area has roads w/o bridges that have a toll.

If things keep going as they are, my area will soon have a bridge, several bridges, and no roads.

But it will still have tolls.


What exactly is the problem? I understand a browser is a complex program but is the claim it is impossible to build a browser without continual dependence on advertising toxic dollars?

> a browser is a complex program

A browser in the class of Firefox or Chrome is for all intents and purposes a full OS constantly exposed to the world.

I understand open source OS development to be sustainable thanks to the the effort put into the server farms. That doesn't work for client side software, with the additional hurdle of needing to be better than the ad funded browser.


My Linux kernel is not riddled with ads?

Maybe companies should see browsers more as a the Linux kernel, a precompetitive commodity layer on top of which we deliver/extract value to/from users.


> My Linux kernel is not riddled with ads?

And Firefox is not riddled with ads. The websites it loads are. If you run a program that shows ads on your Linux distro, the Linux kernel won't block them, will it?


Does your hypothetical kernel make it easy or difficult for you to install add-ons that block ads? Does the organization that build it have a conflict of interest regarding advertisting/surveillance interests such as Google/Meta/...?

Not sure what your point is. My comparison was not made to be stretched infinitely. Next question may be "does your kernel render web pages?", but I don't see where it is going.

But to give an answer: if you wanted to bake an ad-blocker in the Linux kernel that would prevent programs from showing ads in a transparent way (the ads just don't show and the programs still work and look fine), I think it would not be trivial at all.

But I don't see the point of going down that discussion.


Look, Windows (apparently) displays ads to some users. So even for OSes, if they can get away with it, they will shove ads in our face.

Linux is a highly complex piece of software. It is OSS. And it does not shove ads in face of its users. So my point is if there is a will there is a way.

The question is then why aren't we all getting behind a solid OSS browser? Specially now with AI coding assist, this should be even more feasable.


> The question is then why aren't we all getting behind a solid OSS browser?

Like Firefox or Chromium? Seems like we aren't, for some reason.


We're this conversation so Firefox is not up to task. And Chromium is connected in some way with the poster child for ad tech and surveillance capitalism.

So the point stands: OSS community has shown itself capable of tackling some of the hairiest technical challenges (Linux) and we should not let the notion that 'browsers can only be developed by corporations' stop us from creating OSS alternatives to the current offerings.


> OSS community has shown itself capable of tackling some of the hairiest technical challenges (Linux)

Has it though, say in the last decade? My first intuition would be that Linux was in a very different situation when it started. And it's not like there are 10 similar open source kernels that were created in the last decades and that got usable enough to be replacements for Linux...


Perhaps not riddled but Mozilla has added ads to Firefox itself and considering their acquisitions and behavior in general you can expect them to add more.

Orion (by Kagi) is still new, but seems to be trying.

Orion is webkit-based though, not a whole independent browser like FFox.

To be fair, Firefox on iOS is also WebKit based thanks to Apples’s rules. Much of a muchness in this aspect.

I'm not criticizing Orion for that; I actually enjoy it quite a lot (and will do even more when they will have ironed out all the UI bugs).

Also I'm eager to see how it will behave on Linux when they will have finished their port; I hope we will finally have a really low-energy consumption browser then.


Mozilla has had a lot of funding over the years. They wasted most of it on useless side-projects. If, instead, they had saved up into a foundation, they could have been financially independent like a decade ago. Do not try to pay for Firefox; they'll just waste that too.

Just.. use different search engine? Startpage if you still want the Google's search results but with vastly superior privacy

If only we could open source it and load it onto the phone with Sideloadly.

... if only their donation links would let you specify your donation goes to Firefox development and no other mozilla service ...

Firefox on iOS is blocking third-party ads, not first-party ads.

Through network blocking? Or removing elements?

Standard webkit content blocking, so it will filter requests and hide elements.

I started getting tai chi walking ads on youtube a few weeks ago and then I saw a video about how it's a massive scam.

Playstation's networking capabilities are an absolute mess.

In anticipation for GTA6 I actually bought a PS5 Pro 2 weeks ago. I had to create a separate IPv4-only network because it would not complete the user-sign-up on the device on my IPv4/IPv6 network.

Absolutely insane.


I usually relate this to people chasing good reviews at work. Maintaining a system and keeping it bug-free doesn't get people promoted.

Doing something large, inventing a bunch of metrics, and showing that you improve on those metrics does.


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