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FCC abolishes gigabit speed goal, suggesting it is unfair to Musk's Starlink

FCC: high standards are unfairly prejudicial against subpar infrastructure.

> The Carr FCC said last year that the gigabit goal “may be unreasonably prejudicial to technologies such as satellite and fixed wireless that presently do not support such speeds.”

I don't know if this is so much a handout to Starlink, seems like a way to win the race by moving the finish line.


Bloody hell, what’s next? “The requirement for 300km/h for high speed rail is unreasonable prejudicial to technologies such as steam”.

it's a regulatory change that opens up fiber infrastructure money for other uses, so it certainly is another Starlink handout, in addition to the hundreds of millions of dollars they've already received from taxpayers

though if we want to be fair, the competition is other telecoms that were also abusing the handouts until very recently


The Gigabit Project (edit: should be BEAD) has allocated 40 billion since 2021 and still has not finished any last mile projects.

Why lie? The Gigabit Project is a £5 billion project, not $40 billion. It has delivered last mile interconnects to 296,770 residences.

It's also a UK program and not a US program. The US has a similar program called BEAD, it has allocated $42B in funding, however, that is allocated, not spent budget. Build outs have only started this year.


Ezra Klein would point how how dangerous it is. In New York we had really big talk about a fiber buildout where it was clear they kept spending money and spending money in multiple rounds but nobody I knew was getting fiber well past the 2017 deadline the program claimed. They did lay a wholesale fiber to a place where I could get FTTN at 20Mbps and 10 years late they fixed up the poles by my house and say they’re going to give me real FTTH.

Trouble is these programs that just say they’re going to spend money as opposed to solve a problem make people cynical and just want to vote no on everything to protect their pocketbooks. Ultimately they turn the people who are the greatest supporters of these programs into enemies.


I was referring to BEAD by the short hand name of gigabit, my b

Yeah I'm sorry massive infrastructure projects with mandates to properly map access and measures to prevent fraud don't fit neatly into a four year presidential term before being effectively yanked away.

The cause of the delay or the blame doesn't really matter. The fact is Starlink could serve all of these users' internet now with no extra build-out cost at a 50th of the price. It's almost certainly time to rethink the plan and have the government take some of the money back.

Any money given to Starlink now for subsidies is burnt up in the atmosphere in 5 years.

Any money given to fiber rollout is still paying dividends in 40 years.


I would think that repeatedly having to launch millions of pounds of infrastructure into low earth orbit counts as extra build-out cost. This is a literal physical constraint keeping this business from scaling like others, and I don't understand where this notion that Starlink is an acceptable alternative to fiber comes from.

I mean given that effectively all other ISPs delivered nothing under these programs, it's a lot better for folks living in rural areas to get Starlink than nothing...

Since the FCC no longer consistently enforces 'public good' requirements on commercial exploitation of limited shared common assets, they're increasingly becoming a drag on innovation and seem to primarily protect incumbants from new emerging competition.

In the early days of broadcast radio and TV it made sense to have an agency regulating use of the airwaves, but in recent decades the downsides of such close govt agency regulation on most (but not all) digital telecom are beginning to excede the upsides. And regulatory capture has turned some FCC rule-making committees into cage fight octagons where telecom lobbyists battle each other. Net neutrality is a punch line, spectrum auctions often fail and arcane media ownership rules made in the B&W TV era don't make sense. Maybe it's time to begin gradually sunsetting some of the FCC's historical remit.


Previous admin allocated a good chunk to upgrade to fiber network. Provider can claim 25% of installation cost. Frontier has been using it. I heard it's about to run out.

Their workers were staying at my hotel, and putting fiber in my community. It was fascinating how frontier practically hires contractor to lay down pipes, and another contractor to pull the fiber, and another contractor to splice it and another contractor to run fiber to the house, and another contractor to come and install in the house.


Yeah it was wild watching how many contractors came out when Google was rolling their fiber through my neighborhood, like it was different contractor groups for every step of the way. I'm not complaining a 5gbit connection is quite nice.

Not The Onion

Reminder that US taxpayer money was handed to the ISPs by the truckload on the promise of fiber. They took that infrastructure money and ran with it.

Tell me more about this. I've yet to find a good summary! It happens here in California with PG&E with fire prevention money and infrastructure money; the executives declare victory early having spent a fraction of the allocated funds and then give themselves bonuses with the rest, for being such great managers. Then we get gigantic town-destroying wildfires that destroy people's lives.


The Biden program learned from that lesson to ensure that money was only delivered for performance rather than promises or rules-lawyering. See parent comment about Frontier actually laying fiber. But Trump had to kill it -- the GOP narrative about subsidy programs always being a waste would be disrupted if an effective program was in place.

“Unfair to slower technologies”. Insane statements like this would make the government in Orwell’s 1984 blush.

I hate the state intervention here. But let's not pretend the track record of the status quo was great.

This intervention is embarrassing and corrupt. Infrastructure in america is also embarrassing, which I'm guessing is also some combo of corruption and self-inflicted wounds on state capacity.


What an absolute clown car country, embarrassing

Well this is certainly a step up from the "your computer has been infected with malware!" scammy ads.

Do you have any other apps that will give my computer more ram?


Pretty impressive to introduce 1400 CVEs in a project that's only ~7 months old.


These are CVEs in the base image and in standard lib dependencies. For example, just scanned an unhardened image I built today:

  Unhardened: docker.io/nanoco/nanoclaw:agent-alpha
  71 packages, 344 unique CVEs, linux/arm64

  PACKAGE         VERSION        TYP   C   H   M   L   N  TOT
  -----------------------------------------------------------
  expat           2.5.0          deb   0   4  18   1   2   25
  curl            7.88.1         deb   4   4   6   0   7   21
  hono            4.12.14        npm   0   1  18   2   0   21
  libtiff         4.5.0          deb   0   2   1   1  15   20
  perl            5.36.0         deb   5   6   3   0   3   17
  pnpm            10.33.0        npm   0   8   7   0   0   15
  glibc           2.36           deb   1   2   2   1   7   13
  openjpeg        2.5.0          deb   0   0   3   1   9   13
  cups            2.4.2          deb   0   2   8   0   1   11
  glib2           2.74.6         deb   1   7   1   0   1   10
  tar             1.34(+2)       deb   1   1   7   0   1   10
  llvm            15.0.6         deb   0   0   0   1   9   10
  sqlite3         3.40.1         deb   1   2   3   0   3    9
  nss             3.87.1         deb   1   0   3   0   4    8
  avahi           0.8            deb   0   0   8   0   0    8
  util-linux      2.38.1         deb   0   0   3   0   2    7
  elf             0.188          deb   0   0   0   0   7    7
  libssh2         1.10.0         deb   1   4   1   0   0    6
  openldap        2.5.13         deb   0   1   0   0   5    6
  chromium        151.0.7922.108 deb   0   5   0   0   0    5
  -----------------------------------------------------------
  UNIQUE CVEs                         16  68 121  17 119  344

  (+51 more packages, 102 findings)

  C/H/M/L/N = critical/high/medium/low/negligible.
  Counts are unique CVEs: binaries from one source package are
  grouped (libcurl4 + libcurl3-gnutls + curl = curl), so a CVE
  hitting three of them counts once, not three times.


Are these real findings, or a situation in which fixes have been backported? At one place I worked, the corpsec guys were wildly incompetent and would try to bury me in "CVEs" in my systems that were nothing but "vulnerable" software versions with all of the "identified" vulnerabilities fixed by Debian backported patches.


Most modern scanners know the backported versions for the major vendors (ubuntu/debian/rhel/alpine), but it was definitely an issue a decade ago.


That’s not security, it’s compliance.


So it has too many dependencies l, which are themselves also CVE magnets ?

Maybe they could depend on less items that are more secure ?


If the thing measuring whether there are CVEs is also the thing creating said CVEs, are we sure they are even CVEs? Deduped? Etc.


Hold my beer


It’s like it’s made of CVEs. First 50-100 should be a good sign if it’s cleaner to start over.


Brand new account posting ai slop is my guess


A lot of engineer types forget that the law is not code, and reductionist arguments almost never actually work in practice because it's a human interpreting the law.


For one example of this, around 10 years ago there was a company called Aereo that tried to act as a "cloud television provider". The idea was that they had thousands of tiny antennas hooked up to servers in a warehouse, and they would lease an antenna to each subscriber. This gave an experience similar to cable TV but without Aereo having to pay broadcasters cable transmission fees. The major broadcasters sued Aereo and ended up getting it shut down for exactly the reason you mention. Despite Aereo technically being a TV antenna leasing service, it functionally acted like a cable TV service so they were violating copyright by not paying transmission fees.


They were accused of "public performance" which doesn't make sense to the spirit of the law to begin with. Avoiding technicality via technicality is fine. They should have been allowed to run their thousands of independent servers.

The reason cable companies have to pay these fees in the first place is a narrow and somewhat pedantic argument that is entirely based on connecting multiple households to the same antenna. Which Aereo doesn't do, no trickery involved.

If there had been a style of "cable" company that used one wire and antenna per house from the start, they could have avoided these fees too. They only didn't exist because cables and antennas are expensive.

Any single person could have legally set up their own server and antenna. But Aereo building these en masse makes them a cable company instead of an antenna-building company because... vibes, basically.

The best evidence that this was a failure of justice is that they pivoted to "okay, we're cable, we'll pay the fees for a mandatory license" and got rejected for not being a cable company.


This sort of legal workaround can work (see Uber) though.

Uber avoided medallions.

I guess that proves law is not code!


It depends on how much money you have to grease the wheels.


> A lot of engineer types forget that the law is not code, and reductionist arguments almost never actually work in practice because it's a human interpreting the law.

It's worse than that: a lot of engineer types reason about almost everything as if it were code. It's a manifestation of Engineer's disease.


I now see engineers treating people like AI agents. It can always get worse...


It reminds me of tax law in many countries. You can follow the letter of the law, but if the vibes are off, you can still be found to be in breach of a vague catch-all provision (e.g. economic substance doctorine in the US, GAAR in Canada/UK, Part IVA in Australia, etc).


To misquote Bismarck, only fools, drunks, and Americans actually believe the rule of law is real.


UK has systematic tax avoidance IIRC i.e. keep starting and closing businesses to save tax is frowned upon. Australia can treat your capital gains as income if your gains quack like trades. (Maybe now less important since the recent CGT changes).


There is a strong bias by the courts to interpret the law in such a way that it makes sense, and achieves the goals the legislature had when enacting it.


Just read this point in a case revolving around the Oxford comma, stated in simple enough legalese I could understand:

“laws must be construed liberally in order to accomplish their remedial purpose" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma#Maine_labor_dispu...


Maybe this is because of the TV dramas where a genius lawyer saves their client through an obscure technicality. It looks exactly like hacking a system using a 0-day exploit.


It's not that there's a human interpreting the law. It's that there is a politically motivated human interpreting the law, or in other words, you are sol if the state wants to get you. The engineer's arguments aren't reductionist, they are idealistic.


Does anyone think law is computer code? I mean any courtroom drama (even if far fetched) shows it is not.


Just wait until you hear about the underwater turbine that can do far more than generate electricity!

https://energiesmedia.com/texas-turbine-under-water-more-tha...


Thanks. Ugh, now I feel bad for wasting time on this AI-generated slop.


I also took the tour this year and I came away with the impression that he would have fit right in with today's "genius" entrepreneurs and CEOs for all the reasons you stated. He certainly had great ideas and was an excellent designer, but he was belligerent and bull headed and owes a lot of his success to luck and the people who surrounded him.


That's a bit of a silly comparison, in my opinion. FLW was an incredibly deep and original thinker. You can't say the same for today's "genius" entrepreneurs. FLW also experimented and created many new ways of designing and building. He couldn't possibly have been stealing that many unique ideas over basically his 70 year career.


"He couldn't possibly have been stealing that many unique ideas over basically his 70 year career."

I'm not sure how you could possibly make that assertion?


What is the counter claim? That he stole many different original genre defining styles and techniques from many different architects over a period of 70 years with not one well corroborated claim?

The fact that no such claims exist is how I made my assertion. Look at his body of work and study it. He reinvented his primary style multiple times but yet kept his core style. A claim that he was a grifter needs a lot of evidence for one of the most colossal intellects of our time. It's like saying Einstein was a grifter.


Is your argument that unless we can make a law that is perfect and covers every conceivable use case of coercive design, then we shouldn't bother to make a law that covers any of them?


I'm pretty sure the point being made is that things like this are very difficult to actually encode into law in such a way that it doesn't cause significant damage downstream. Like, take the age verification/estimation laws that are going around. We see the big companies actively encouraging it because the laws will (ironically) benefit big tech rather than harming them in any substantial manner: companies like Meta have the money and resources to implement them. But everyone who isn't a super big powerful company will be harmed because they will be unable to comply (or will find it incredibly costly to do so).


Ok, but you're just talking about a completely different law. How is that comparable to what's being proposed?


Because the point applies to the subject of this thread too, that's why. People think that all of this is super easy to just ban by fiat (law) but the problem is that the "simple" solutions oftentimes have harmful downstream effects that must be considered. For example, let's hypothetically say that we ban "addictive algorithms". What even counts as an "addictive algorithm"? Does my Mastodon home timeline count as an "addictive algorithm"? How about the Bluesky feed? Does the HN home page count as one? (Someone could (reasonably!) make this argument too, given that HN does dynamically update it's home page depending on rankings of submissions to end-users, even if such an update requires a page refresh.) So what I was trying to say (and the reason I brought up age verification/estimation) is that if we take the simple path we're going to catch a bunch of entities up in the ban that we... Probably shouldn't be banning. But you are also going to suffer a lot of pain trying to (not) cause this problem too.


But we're not talking about banning addictive algorithms, we're talking about banning endless scrolling. You're trying to straw man by bringing in completely different examples.

Edit: rereading the article, they want to ban "psychologically exploitative features intended to maximize engagement that foreseeably lead to compulsive use." It seems like it's pretty straightforward to apply that logic to your hypotheticals.


No my point is that none of these are by themselves even coercive design, there’s no distinction between a smooth or pleasant UX experience and a coercive design without context.


But this isn't about banning those things, it's about banning endless scrolling.

edit: I get that you're trying to provide counterexamples to be able to say "here's something that _could_ be construed as coercive/addictive design, so the law is going to end up banning those" - but that's the whole reason we have courts to interpret these laws. If you can reasonably conclude that a 100ms delay is helpful for user input - then it's probably not addictive design! That's the whole reason courts exist, because there is always going to be ambiguity; laws are not algorithms.


I'll bite, how's Seattle doing that?


Bellevue has a few advantages over Seattle. Seattle imposes a city level payroll tax that isn't in Bellevue, and there are other tax implications. Seattle's minimum wage is higher. Seattle has a more visible drug/homeless problem.

Seattle can charge a premium for its advantages over Bellevue because they provide additional value, and the premium Seattle charges is actually less than most people make it out to be.


They passed a tax on basically just Amazon in 2018 and there were rumblings of Amazon leaving the city for Bellevue/Redmond. The city council repealed it within a month and things quieted down, but then COVID happened, they passed basically the same tax again, and this time it stuck. Since then, Amazon's been slowly leaving Seattle for the eastside by moving employees as their building leases expire: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/amazon-no-longe...


Crime. Everyone moves from DT Seattle to the eastside when they start a family. It’s normalized at this point, where if you see a potential threat u just walk across the street and go on with your business.

Hostile business environment. Jumpstart, inflationary wage environment, etc.

Living in DT Seattle is just meh. Expensive and the food scene is terrible due to local labor policies.

Inability to get anything done from the local govt. Wilson spent her campaign promising to make it easier to build housing and just gave in to nimby interests again.

Local politics is lunacy. Constant issues with the the unhoused population but it’s ok let’s just keep pushing it to little Saigon / Chinatown! Close your eyes since it doesn’t happen if you’re in Wallingford, QA, or Ballard!

Fewer and fewer major cos investing into the area.

And then there’s 0 transit enforcement or even any attempt at it. We don’t even have fare gates on the link for gods sake.

It’s just completely absurd how mismanaged this city is, despite how much potential there is.

Nowadays more and more offices opening in Bellevue.


This is all depressing but I had to laugh at "Tolliver Chevrolet"


Bobson Dugnutt all over again


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