When you see the level of cheating and deception: I think they’re Sam Altman-aligned.

Bend the spoon*

* for people who don’t know the ref

The star only confuses me more...?

It's a pointer to a reference you don't have.

Also, a line from a scene in the Matrix.

It was indeed an attack.

The trains and other public transports to bring these people there were free that day for that specific destination.

Source?

Probably, but does not mean a state organized it. So if there was free transportation just for this day just for that route -> strong indicator of Morocco involved.

So, I a remain curious to the base of the claim, but so far it rather seems rumors.

I was commenting about the free transportation question.

Regarding how such a flood happen, I don’t know, but someone should investigate it for sure.

Forgive the linked page, but I couldn't quickly find other profiles that posted this, since I don't use twitter

https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2083153767164170326

I don't think a ragebait twitter profile counts as a reliable source.

The source is the video, not the profile. Are you claiming it's fake?

The upthread HN claim was that this "was an attack".

The Xitter claim was that:

  Moroccan traffic police keeps directing thousands of illegal migrants toward the Spanish border fence in Ceuta.

  This is a state-orchestrated invasion of Spain.

The video shows a small number of people on a small number of truck beds calmly going about a roundabout.

No visible attack, no proof that the people visible are "thousands of illegal migrants" nor of where they are or where they are headed.

Are you claiming this video shows free trains for immigrants?

It shows people on cars and police waiving them on like all the other traffic. So possible they especially were set up for the immigrants, but no idea how one can conclude that from this short clip.

You are very picky.

I hope that was irony?

Yes.

Just think of it as a decompression procedure.

That’s all.

Like a diver ascending from the depth? ;)

Exactly.

I never understood how people referred to or understood “whataboutsim”.

I personally understand it not as a diversion but as a critique of the moral higher ground implied by the first accusation. Said differently: keep your own house in order.

Because that’s not a logical defense and nobody cares about moral high grounds. That’s why it’s a logical fallacy.

Actions can be judged on their own merits regardless of who presents the arguments.

Hilarious. It is absolutely a logical défense: our societal order and its relative fairness don’t emerge from the void.

Otherwise a victim defending himself is the same as the person assaulting?

Perpetrator: you just stabbed me OMG!

Victim: you were going to rape and kill me

Perpetrator: sorry that’s just whataboutism and definitely not a logical defence. Your actions can be judged on their own merits, regardless of who presents the arguments.

Nope, defense is an action to prevent an attack. China isn’t building coal plants to stop global warming.

Also, the world isn’t two sides. There are tons of participants on this site who are not in the US that criticize both china and the US (i.e. most of Europe). So you realize how stupid the defense looks of “I’m behaving like a piece of shit because this guy behaves like a piece of shit” when there is a room full of people trying to do the right thing.

If your argument is whataboutism, it means you have no actual defense for your behavior. You’re just appealing to “someone else did something bad”.

Pretty much everything except Haskell and the like can be considered as such.

That's because closely following PL theory isn't always the right goal for a language. Ergonomics and pragmatism are far more important.

I wouldn't disaree on the ergonomics: a powerful but unusable tool is... useless!

Though ignoring all the PL lessons for the sake of "pragmatism" is just plain ignorance.

Rust has a quite solid theory backing. Zig has nothing interesting really: it's "vibe coded" by someone who was doing game dev or something like that.

I was wondering WTF was happening.

This was past month:

   516 + 518*n
   516  n=0  count=4454
  1034  n=1  count=318
  1552  n=2  count=129
  2070  n=3  count=56
  2588  n=4  count=35
  3106  n=5  count=14
  3624  n=6  count=6
  4142  n=7  count=4
  4660  n=8  count=6

Because it’s supposedly open?

When open online spaces gain popularity, the threat of devolving into a cesspool of bigotry and misinformation rears its head. Sadly, moderation isn't optional.

But how do you moderate? Do you establish your own ministry of truth? Only allow contributors with a university email address (shoutout to the arXiv)?

Wikipedia decided to externalize part of the vetting process by placing formal restrictions on the sources you're allowed to collect information from.

Sadly, there currently aren't any such sources for Odin.

The main advantage of PeerTube and alike is that they keep the “professional content creators” and their crappy content away.

Because of their unique monetisation feature.

Doubtful. The problem with the pi idea is that you need to include the offset, which will likely be as long as or longer than your data.