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> 2.5A primary side fuse (integrated into the AC inlet) did not melt

This is a current-limited power-supply right? Test your fuse! Would not be the first time a fuse-shaped wire is sold[1]

[1]: https://youtu.be/B90_SNNbcoU?si=HwDCRvz7E-aCR1rQ&t=431



There’s a special place in hell for people who sell fuse-shaped wires.


Some weeks ago I also relied on a 1A Quick-Blow fuse to safeguard my project from accidentally blowing up. However, while tuning the parameters for the 10 Amp 5-60V Buck Boost converter (which was only loaded output-wise for 5W at the moment) I got a thermal runaway at one of the mosfets, which instantly vaporized the FET and the FR4 below it. While my error was that the Input PSU was still set to 250W, that fuse was completely okay afterwards. Don't rely on fuses alone. They suck.


Fuses are just not that great. Quickblow fuses cannot keep up with quickblow MOSFETs. All they can do is limit the size of the fire in your enclosure.


Specifically, fuses (I mean actual fuses) have specific specs and MOSFETS have different specific specs. There is nothing wrong with using fuses if you understand and pay attention to that spec. Indeed a "quickblow" fuse will not protect you from everything you can think of - just some things - just because it's "quickblow".


Thermal fuses (which is what pretty much everyone here is talking about) will blow in seconds for “quick blow”. (There’s a chart for overload vs time, but it’s still slow).

If you want protection you can use electrical fuses/load switches that turn off in microseconds (which still might not save the fet but should at least save the pcb)


The author appears to be in Europe so that's 240V @ 2.5A, or 600W of power.

Even legit fuses can vary quite unpredictably: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG11rVcMOnY


The transformer secondary was maxing out at 4A, 36V. The primary current will be much lower, probably about (40V/240V)*4A, ie about 0.67A.


it’s likely the track was weaker than the fuse - and you have long blow/slow blow fuses

electricity is lazy it takes the easiest path


How do you test a fuse?


Get a set of visually-similar fuses that claim to be the same rating. (Visually because you need the shape to be the same). When testing a few to destruction, record the temperature of the fusing element and resistance and power over time. Also measure the temperature at operating current.

Now the fuse you want to have the utmost trust in, test it at at half the time it should fail for a given i^2t. The temperature, resistance, and power curve should match the ones you tested destructively. The temperature at operating current should also be similar. If so, you can expect it to fail the way your destructively-tested fuses did.

Now, if you trust the metal composition and fusing element shape, a simple resistance meter will tell you if two fuses will behave the same.


How do i measure the temperature of a fuse?


Thermography should work?


So I need a lab to test my Amazon products.

I have a lab. What do 99% of consumers do? This is why the grift works.


99% of consumers aren't designing a power supply, at least.


You can destructively test samples out of a box of them. But even then the proper current profile that a fuse is supposed to accept or block is far from obvious or intuitive. Reading the spec helps. And then you still have the problem of supplying an acceptable sequence to get a correct result as you desired.

Another option is to experimentally send through various current profiles so that you - more intuitively - get a better understanding of whether your thinking of what you want to protect from, might actually happen.


> But even then the proper current profile that a fuse is supposed to accept or block is far from obvious or intuitive. Reading the spec helps.

Right. This. Even if you shove the standards in front of their faces, most engineers don't know what fuses really do (prevent fires) or what they don't (save circuit boards) or how fast it happens (not very). Asking your typical engineer to test a fuse lot is not going to give a useful result.

This is why there are so very many safety agency marks on fuses and why even the Chinese often skip the BS and just pay for name brand fuses.


I would use a variable power supply, amp meter and some sacrificial fuses. Slowly turn up the voltage while watching amps on the circuit until it blows? Or simply apply the rated amps (with current controlled power supply) to verify if/when the fuse blows.

I have a multiple-fuse assortment kit that was a great (too good?) deal from AliExpress. Now I'm thinking I need to do some of those tests myself to verify their rating.


You could... whoah, wait a second... isn't this one of the few places where that interview question of "determine the durability of N objects by dropping them from different floors in a building in a minimum of attempts" may actually be relevant?


Terminally.


I admire your optimism that all the fuses will behave similarly.


For a hobby project like this, I don't think you need utmost certainty.

And if you're building aircraft, why are you shopping on Aliexpress?


Not utmost, but if I put one in my car, it matters if one burns at 2A and the other at 4A.


Right? The best you can do it test a sampling of fuse from a batch, to there failure point, which destroys the fuse.


destructively




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